Glenn Beck and James Dobson, some of my least favorite people.
One of Glenn Becks televised rantings including Dr. James Dobson
as a guest speaker attempted to tackle the issue of prayer in school in
regards to the dissolution of a 'Moment of Silence' law in Illinois.Robert Gettleman a district court judge in Northern Illinois
eliminated the law because it gave the option for children to use the
moment of silence for prayer. Gettleman believes that this situation
would force children at an impressionable age to contemplate religion.
Which it would. If you're an Atheist and your kid is forced to sit in classroom with other children who are praying they're probably going to start asking you some questions. Public schools are state-funded, if you're an atheist this is akin to the state telling your child that they're beliefs are wrong. Thus violating the separation of church and state.
Gettleman said he would reconsider the law if the option to use the moment of silence for prayer were removed.
I personally don't have a problem with children praying in school but I don't think the schools should allot a specific time for it either. Drop the part about prayer and give the kids a moment of silence, if they want to use the time for prayer who cares as long as they do it in silence they're not subjecting or impressing their beliefs on anyone else. It does not need to be specified in the law that this time can be used for prayer. Sounds reasonable to me. Beck however switches his weapons systems to 'Armed' and calls in his wing-man Dr. Dobson for a round of 'Bash the Atheists'. Opening with the astounding claim that this is part of a conspiracy to remove God from America.
" 90% of us believe that their is a god, 90%. Yet we seem to be pushed around by 10%, and I don't care, you don't believe in god, you want to worship a broom, I could really care less. Now there's some people that want to remove god from America entirely and uh, you know right here in this country that is you know 'one nation under God you can't even now use the word prayer in school because it makes the children cry. Some people want to force their non-belief down our throats. I ain't forcing it down your throat don't force your non-belief - I don't care what you believe in, just leave god alone...please. " - Beck
Trust me Glenn, atheists want nothing more than to leave God alone. Obviously you do care what other people believe in when you ask them to leave God alone. They are leaving God alone, you're not leaving them alone and neither would the 'Moment of Silence' law had it been passed in it's current state.
The attack run on atheists continues;
" Let me ask you this, are the children of atheists so fragile that the idea of prayer could actually warp their minds?" - Beck
I don't know Glenn, are religious children so fragile that their faith could actually warp without a moment of prayer in school? Or are you implying that atheists are mentally fragile because they don't share your beliefs? Shame on you.
"...Religion coming under attack where we are sitting here in a country now where we can't even say prayer, it's been deemed unconstitutional to even say the word prayer to our children. That's crazy."
Certainly is, I know of now such law that has outlawed the use of the word 'prayer'. Pass to Dobson.
" ..the decision that was handed down this week was not even about prayer, it was about a moment of silence. Without any mention of prayer. All that the school was doing was giving kids an opportunity to sit and think, they could contemplate, they could reflect, they could think about a baseball game coming, or they could pray, but nobody mentioned prayer. So it's the most extreme decision that's been handed down with regard to schools. They just have to eliminate even the possibility that somebody might pray." - Dobson
Nobody mentioned prayer, except in the wording of the law itself! No one is trying to eliminate the possibility of prayer, how could they? Kids could be praying at any moment in their heads and no one would know. The law needs to be re-worded with the option for prayer excluded from it's contents so it doesn't imply that the state is allotting time in school to be used for religious purposes, duh.
Are you really a doctor James? Or does reality simply interfere with your righteous indignation?
Glenn continues, botching his line and actually saying the opposite of what he meant to say in the middle of his statement.
"... if we say that god doesn't exist, in this country our rights come from god. If you eliminate god who do the rights come from? The answer is the State, they'll replace the State with god. This is an effort....and look I don't care if you don't believe in god, that's fine whatever. But if you take god out of the picture where do the rights come from? " - Beck
I think he meant to say '..they'll replace god with the State.'
Dobson responds with a misquote;
"Well it comes from The Constitution, you know, it says that we are endowed by the creator with certain unalienable rights, and uh if you say that rights do not come from god and they come from the State, they can be taken away. If you say, as our founding fathers did, that rights come from god they are unalienable. Uh and it uh is a really a question of freedom, everything is wrapped up in this issue of where those rights come from. " -Dobson
Actually Dr. Dobson it comes from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution and guess what Glenn, your rights do come from the State.
" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - from The Declaration of Independence
The Creator may give you the rights, but the governments of the world enforce the rights. If the creator were doing the enforcing then all the believers in the world would have these rights. Obviously this is not the case since many god-fearing people in third world countries go without.
Now I offer you the reader a moment of silence for Glen Beck and Dr. James Dobson, pray for them if you're religious, pity them if you're not.
Which it would. If you're an Atheist and your kid is forced to sit in classroom with other children who are praying they're probably going to start asking you some questions. Public schools are state-funded, if you're an atheist this is akin to the state telling your child that they're beliefs are wrong. Thus violating the separation of church and state.
Gettleman said he would reconsider the law if the option to use the moment of silence for prayer were removed.
I personally don't have a problem with children praying in school but I don't think the schools should allot a specific time for it either. Drop the part about prayer and give the kids a moment of silence, if they want to use the time for prayer who cares as long as they do it in silence they're not subjecting or impressing their beliefs on anyone else. It does not need to be specified in the law that this time can be used for prayer. Sounds reasonable to me. Beck however switches his weapons systems to 'Armed' and calls in his wing-man Dr. Dobson for a round of 'Bash the Atheists'. Opening with the astounding claim that this is part of a conspiracy to remove God from America.
" 90% of us believe that their is a god, 90%. Yet we seem to be pushed around by 10%, and I don't care, you don't believe in god, you want to worship a broom, I could really care less. Now there's some people that want to remove god from America entirely and uh, you know right here in this country that is you know 'one nation under God you can't even now use the word prayer in school because it makes the children cry. Some people want to force their non-belief down our throats. I ain't forcing it down your throat don't force your non-belief - I don't care what you believe in, just leave god alone...please. " - Beck
Trust me Glenn, atheists want nothing more than to leave God alone. Obviously you do care what other people believe in when you ask them to leave God alone. They are leaving God alone, you're not leaving them alone and neither would the 'Moment of Silence' law had it been passed in it's current state.
The attack run on atheists continues;
" Let me ask you this, are the children of atheists so fragile that the idea of prayer could actually warp their minds?" - Beck
I don't know Glenn, are religious children so fragile that their faith could actually warp without a moment of prayer in school? Or are you implying that atheists are mentally fragile because they don't share your beliefs? Shame on you.
"...Religion coming under attack where we are sitting here in a country now where we can't even say prayer, it's been deemed unconstitutional to even say the word prayer to our children. That's crazy."
Certainly is, I know of now such law that has outlawed the use of the word 'prayer'. Pass to Dobson.
" ..the decision that was handed down this week was not even about prayer, it was about a moment of silence. Without any mention of prayer. All that the school was doing was giving kids an opportunity to sit and think, they could contemplate, they could reflect, they could think about a baseball game coming, or they could pray, but nobody mentioned prayer. So it's the most extreme decision that's been handed down with regard to schools. They just have to eliminate even the possibility that somebody might pray." - Dobson
Nobody mentioned prayer, except in the wording of the law itself! No one is trying to eliminate the possibility of prayer, how could they? Kids could be praying at any moment in their heads and no one would know. The law needs to be re-worded with the option for prayer excluded from it's contents so it doesn't imply that the state is allotting time in school to be used for religious purposes, duh.
Are you really a doctor James? Or does reality simply interfere with your righteous indignation?
Glenn continues, botching his line and actually saying the opposite of what he meant to say in the middle of his statement.
"... if we say that god doesn't exist, in this country our rights come from god. If you eliminate god who do the rights come from? The answer is the State, they'll replace the State with god. This is an effort....and look I don't care if you don't believe in god, that's fine whatever. But if you take god out of the picture where do the rights come from? " - Beck
I think he meant to say '..they'll replace god with the State.'
Dobson responds with a misquote;
"Well it comes from The Constitution, you know, it says that we are endowed by the creator with certain unalienable rights, and uh if you say that rights do not come from god and they come from the State, they can be taken away. If you say, as our founding fathers did, that rights come from god they are unalienable. Uh and it uh is a really a question of freedom, everything is wrapped up in this issue of where those rights come from. " -Dobson
Actually Dr. Dobson it comes from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution and guess what Glenn, your rights do come from the State.
" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." - from The Declaration of Independence
The Creator may give you the rights, but the governments of the world enforce the rights. If the creator were doing the enforcing then all the believers in the world would have these rights. Obviously this is not the case since many god-fearing people in third world countries go without.
Now I offer you the reader a moment of silence for Glen Beck and Dr. James Dobson, pray for them if you're religious, pity them if you're not.

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